#097: Roundtable – Pomplamoose, Double Rainbow, and YouTube

In the News: has the digital singles market hit its saturation point? Sound Exchange has money for independent artists.  And the ‘Double Rainbow’ song reaches top ten in iTunes: “What does it mean?” The podcasters talk about Pomplamoose, the power of YouTube, and ‘video and music’ as a combined medium.  Plus your calls and comments.  Don’t miss this one folks.  It’s totally full on–all the way!

Check out the Double Rainbow Original Video

Hear the Double Rainbow Song that was inspired by the video.

  • Thanks for mentioning my podcast on this episode, I appreciate it!

    If all goes according to plan the Chris Robley episode of the “Friends of Dan Music Podcast” will air the week of Aug 16-20.

    Congratulations on approaching your 100th episode milestone!

    You must feel like Irving Berlin and/or George Burns!!!

  • Just wanted to throw in a quick thought here regarding youtube covers and copyright claims. I have been using youtube as a main source of promotion for myself as a singer/songwriter for a couple of years now. Just like was mentioned in the Pomplamoose interview, covers are a great way to get your name out there and if you impress the viewer, hopefully they will check out your original material. I saw my total views go up substantially when I had a couple of covers gain over 100,000 views.

    I had never had a copyright issue with the covers until about a week ago. The song was a #1 hit about 15 years ago, but as soon as I uploaded it I got the little tag next to the video that said “matched third party content.” I am thinking this might be the same tag that Kevin was talking about here in the podcast, but it basically told me the material in the video was owned by someone else and at this time there was no further action taken, but that they may possibly place ads next to the video for revenue. So this is a bit contrary to what Kevin mentioned in that the video has to have original recorded content in it to get this flag. My video was just me and my guitar playing an acoustic version of the song.

    I also know that David Choi (very successful youtube singer/songwriter) had his channel suspended (and then later returned) because of the “three strikes” rule with youtube in regards to copyright. He had done acoustic covers that were (according to him) flagged directly by some publishing companies and they wanted his videos taken down. This again was not original recorded material, but just a live acoustic cover of the song.

    So I am not trying to discourage anyone from uploading cover songs as usually it’s fine, I just wanted to comment that in some cases, it is still possible to get flagged from covering a song without using original recorded material.

    Thanks guys for a great podcast and keep up the great work.

    Ryan Knorr

  • Ryan,

    Thanks for the feedback! I wonder if there are specific publishers that have been harder to deal with. Since the system is mainly automated, I’d be curious to know if some of these instances are their automated system thinking it’s the original when it’s really not. I know YouTube did recently add the ability for content owners to respond to any copyright claim. I’d be interested to hear of anyone has had some sort of experience with that. YouTube and video online are still the wild west, and like I said in the episode, I expect a lot to be made of these issues in the next few years.

  • Thanks for introducing me to Pomplamoose. Simply fab, I’m going to run right out and record a cover video.

  • Hey guys, I’ve been listening to the podcast since the beginning so I’m sure by the 100th show my band, Certain Stars, will be rich and famous. So I just wanted to drop a note to thank you before I’m so big that I forget who you are. Thanks!!

  • Bob_Q

    With regards to YouTube and copyright, there was recently some info that went up about that.

    When you upload a video, Google and YouTube have the ability to scan both the audio and visual of that video to see if you are using copyrighted material. Sounds crazy, but it’s true. YouTube is in contact with all of the major publishers and the publishers themselves are allowed to create rules regarding their material. If a particular publisher doesn’t want you to distribute their material outside of the publisher’s main channels, your video can be flagged and removed. If the publisher is cool with what could be considered the “free promotion” of their material, they’ll allow it to stay up. But it is very much on a publisher to publisher basis.

    You can see more here:



  • Bob,

    Excellent video about YouTube rights management. Thanks for posting!


  • Love the PompomMouse or whatever they’re called interview – great to hear someone who is really passionate about music and his place in the biz. Double rainbow not so much, but I love the podcast generally, roundtables or whatever.

    Keep ’em coming!

  • Hey Kevin, can I suggest that as the 100th episode approaches, that you consider adding an audio identifyer to the very start of every episode that says something like: “episode 97 : Roundtable, Pomplamoose, Double Rainbow, and YouTube”

    It means that people (like me) who are listening to a lot of your podcasts can navigate through them without having to wait 35 seconds to hear the spoken intro, or waiting to read the screen of their Mp3 player (which may be one of those annoying scrolling LED ones).

    Also, the music intro could be shorter (it’s great and all, but I’ve heard it about 150 times by now…) People want “content” delivered as quickly as possible, and appreciate it when they get what they want!

    And also also…when taking listener calls, can you ditch the background music? The telephone quality makes it hard to hear people… If you were being really conscientious you could add 10 seconds of their music to help give their call some context 🙂

    Bear in mind I’ve only reached somewhere in the 80s with the podcasts, so if you’ve already done any of this stuff, cool…good on you.

    Needless to say, I love the podcasts 🙂

  • GREAT interview with Pomplamoose. Just love that guy’s outlook and commitment to their own music and livelihood. Enjoyed their version of “September” and thought “If you Need Some Lovin'” was well-written and appealing. She really sounds like the gal from Feist, no? It’s uncanny!

    With these videos, the real magic for me is in their enthusiasm and zaniness(especially the guy); it fills in when the “so that’s how they did that” wears off. I was ready for something different after sampling for 15-20 minutes…

    A comment was made at the round table about how folks are going to be bored of the video song if we all run out and do it. I absolutely agree but I believe Pomplamoose-Jack’s point is that there is a world of potential in YouTube for connecting with fans and making new ones. The trick is finding something that fits with the music and captures the spirit of the act. And something that you do financially and time-wise. That, of course, can be challenging, but I am excited to see a whole new approach that’s working for these independent musicians. Kudos to them!

    Love, love, love your podcast. Keep ’em coming and good luck with your music!

  • hey where episode 98 already?

    I’m waaaaiiiting!!!!!!

  • Bob,

    Thanks for the TED video about YouTube and copyright. I like the idea of an “ecosystem of culture,” in which artists and even big studios borrow from each other. This makes my think that cover songs can be much more than a gimmick to attract attention. Music is such a communal activity that it is intuitive to share with and mimic others. Using someone’s content and allowing others to use yours can be a win-win.

  • There’s certainly a lot of important info here to chew over. Protecting artists’ rights is paramount. Let’s not box them up. Thanks for sharing this.

  • Thank you so much for featuring this duo. Pomplamoose is the most inspirational artist in terms of proving that you can be completely successful as an independent artist. They prove that the days of the old record company/record deal model is coming to an end.

    Great stuff, thanks for keeping us independent artists inspired!

  • Just getting caught up on my episodes…this is so inspiring! Thanks, as usual, for bringing in such great interviewees and for being a great interviewer!